"Heavens created as 'Smoke'"
This is is just one of many lies Muslims full of
Does Science really prove the Quran? Part 3
As we continue in our scientific dissecting of the Islamic theory or should we say hoax about alleged scientific miracles in the Quran we wind here on part 3 dealing with the creation of the universe. Now we have dealt with the "Big Bang" and "Big Crunch" in great detail as well as the idea of "the earth according to Islam" so now we want to focus on the alleged miracle of the Quranic saying on how the universe was created:
YUSUF ALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design THE SKY, and it had BEEN (AS) SMOKE: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
PICKTHAL: Then turned He to THE HEAVEN when it WAS SMOKE, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
SHAKIR: Then He directed Himself to THE HEAVEN and it is a VAPOR, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.
According to this Quranic passage, Muslims allege that the Quran correctly describes the formation of the universe after the Big Bang theory. Since they believe that the Quran is totally correct, this verse offers explicit scientific proof that they are looking for to convince ignorant non-Muslims that the Quran is the word of God. The problem with trying to use science as a factor to prove God's authorship on a book is that if Science changes or discovers that a certain theory is wrong then this would prove that this book can't be from God. Another problem is the factor of misinterpretation. What Muslims point out in this verse is the fact is the word "SMOKE", correctly illustrates the gaseous state of the universe at its origin. Here we illustrate various Muslim propagandists' arguments from a variety of Muslim websites:
THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE
The Koran mentions that at a stage in its origin, THE UNIVERSE WAS A "GASEOUS MASS" (Koran 41:11).It uses the Arabic word Dukhan, WHICH STANDS FOR SMOKE. A PERFECT ANALOGY FOR GAS and particles in suspension and the gasses being hot.
Scientists have only very recently confirmed that the universe did indeed originate from a gaseous mass composed of HYDROGEN AND HELIUM, a big mass of hot gasses. The Koran is more accurate in describing the gasses as "smoke" rather than the word "mist" used frequently by scientists as the gasses were hot.
How could Muhammad, who lived 1400 years back, have composed this material? He could not have, even if he had all the help in the world, at the time. (THE UNIFYING THEORY OF EVERYTHING; KORAN & NATURE'S TESTIMONY; Asadi, Muhammad; copyrighted 1997)
Let us look what Allah Almighty said about the Universe in the Noble Quran:
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.
Anyway, as we clearly see above in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty initially created the Universe or the "samaa" WITH SMOKE (Dukhan). Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke coming from fire, which is always HOT GAS.
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)" The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.(The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran:
These Muslim propogandists truely believe that the Quran is correct on the origin of the universe. But is this true? Is it correctly to describe the universe as smoke during its origin? Lets highlight the common arguments and conclusions from these Islamic sources. Usually Muslims, over the internet, come to the same conclusions so what is presented here is basically what all Muslims think about science in the Quran:
1. The universe origin was like smoke
2. Dukhan is the perfect word to describe gas
3. Since the universe was a gaseous matter smoke is scientifically correct to describe this phenomenon
Conclusion: The Quran is correct for using the word "Dukhan" (Smoke) for Gases found during the origin of the universe.
This argument looks very good on the surface and many unsuspecting people have fallen for such tricks orchestrated by Muslim apologetics. This theory about "Dukhan" is not new anyway since the infamous Dr. Maurice Bucaille interpolated this theory into the Quran. Many Muslim apologists who were desperate for some type of miracle to verify their Quran to the Western and Civilized world immediately picked up this theory and prescribed it to known scientific information. This is very common among Muslim apologetics and it is the reason why you find many of the same recycled information repeated over and over on Islamic websites. This quote describes many Muslim propogandists accurately:
Some Muslims are very similar to parrots, THEY JUST PICK UP WHAT THEIR GURUS CLAIM AND REPEAT THEM WITHOUT VERIFICATION. (Al Gharab, Investigating Allah, pg. 48, 2001: 1st ed.; found on Answering Islam)
If you notice in how Muslim apologists argue about the "smoke" description of the universe you will see that they have:
1. Equated smoke to be a gas
2. Indirectly implied that the universe was smoke at its origin.
To equate smoke to gas without knowing the definition or difference between each is the known fallacy of equivocation. To use this word as proof is known as the logical fallacy of begging the question since Muslim propagandists have now assumed that since "smoke" is the scientific way to describe the origin of the universe that now it is correct to describe gas as smoke. First we must define what Gas is to see if smoke is correct as a description for the origin of the universe. Gas is defined as:
1 : a fluid (as air) that has neither independent shape nor volume but tends to expand indefinitely
2 a : a combustible gas or gaseous mixture for fuel or lighting; especially : NATURAL GAS b : a gaseous product of digestion; also : discomfort from this c : a gas or gaseous mixture used to produce anesthesia d : a substance that can be used to produce a poisonous, asphyxiating, or irritant atmosphere-Merriam Webster Online Dictionary
Looking at the definition of gas it would seem easy for a layman to confuse smoke to the term "gas". However the Quran, according to Muslims was revealed by God Almighty. This means that if there are scientific inconsistencies in using a word, God should know the difference and avoid it. Dr. Bucaille says this about smoke:
Smoke is GENERALLY made up of a gaseous substratum, plus, in more or less stable suspension, fine particles that may belong to solid and even liquid states of matter at high or low temperature" (p. 143).
Muslims have picked up this argument and ran away with it without knowing its implication for the divine authorship of the Quran. Bucaille was the first to invent this argument and Muslims appealing to his word and accuracy is the fallacy of appealing to dubious authority. It should be noted that Dr. Bucaille is a pediatrician not a physicists and Muslims who love quoting or repeating his material are either ignorant of this matter or just down right deceptive. Now nothing is wrong with quoting someone on an argument, which many not necessarily be an expert, if the person argument is proven to be sound and truthful. For example it doesn't take a math major to tell you that 9x5=45 or 4x3 in calculus equals 12x2. But is Dr. Bucaille's argument truthful, and are Muslim propagandists correct in trying to make "Dukhan", smoke refer to the gaseous origin in the Universe? The answer is clearly no: .
"These verses say that at some point in time the sky or heaven was made out of smoke. Smoke includes organic particles, therefore this is clearly false because at the time of a primordial gaseous state no organic matter would be found in it. Furthermore, nebulae which might have been supposed to be planetary forerunners, are much too dilute to be thought of as `suspending' anything. One has only very dilute gas molecules, a few per ml., and occasional grains of dust
Also, if it speaks of some early primordial gaseous state, the earth and sky should have been `smoke' together; but the passage says that there were firm mountains and nourishment on the earth while the heavens was still `smoke'. Clearly these verses have serious astronomical errors." (Dr. William Campbell, The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science [Middle East Resources PO Box 96, Upper Darby PA 19082; 1986], p. 24)
Notice how if Muslims hold to the idea that the Quran supports the Big Bang theory in Surah 21:30 it would contradict Surah 41:11!!
1. During the Big Bang (origin of the universe) Matter didn't exist until later.
2. The Quran claiming that the universe origin was a smoke since smoke has matter. To use the word "smoke" is a total contradiction of science itself. If the Big Bang says that the universe didn't have matter at its beginning, how can it be created out of smoke, which does have matter? The definition of smoke also exposes it as being a direct contradiction to what the Quran says:
1 a : the gaseous products of burning materials ESPECIALLY OF ORGANIC ORIGIN made visible by the PRESENCE OF SMALL PARTICLES OF CARBON b : a suspension of particles in a gas
2 a : a mass or column of smoke b : SMUDGE
3 : fume or vapor often resulting from the action of heat on moisture
4 : something of little substance, permanence, or value -Merriam Webster Online Dictionary
Looking at the definitions of smoke as well as the scientific description of it, for smoke to occur it must have organic materials as well as small particles. Smoke is the result of an action, not the origin as the Quran incorrectly claims. As we show from this Muslim source again, the universe was created from hydrogen and helium:
Scientists have only very recently confirmed that the universe did indeed originate from a gaseous mass composed of HYDROGEN AND HELIUM, a big mass of hot gasses. (THE UNIFYING THEORY OF EVERYTHING; KORAN & NATURE'S TESTIMONY; Asadi, Muhammad; copyrighted 1997)
If Muslims believe that the universe was created from smoke or that "smoke" is a perfect analogy not only do they expose their own Quran as being false and man made but they even expose Allah for not even knowing what gaseous components the universe was created from!! The universe originated from helium and hydrogen, not carbon that is present in smoke!!! Helium and hydrogen are not organic like smoke and if we look at the definition of organic we discover that the Quranic blunder is magnified even greater:
1 archaic : INSTRUMENTAL
2 a : of, relating to, or arising in a bodily organ b : affecting the structure of the organism
3 a (1) : of, relating to, or derived from living organisms (2) : of, relating to, yielding, or involving the use of food produced with the use of feed or fertilizer of plant or animal origin without employment of chemically formulated fertilizers, growth stimulants, antibiotics, or pesticides b (1) : of, relating to, or CONTAINING CARBON COMPOUNDS (2) : relating to, being, or dealt with by a branch of chemistry concerned with the CARBON COMPOUNDS of living beings and most other carbon compounds
4 a : forming an integral element of a whole : FUNDAMENTAL b : having systematic coordination of parts : ORGANIZED c : having the characteristics of an organism : developing in the manner of a living plant or animal
5 : of, relating to, or constituting the law by which a government or organization exists-Merriam Webster Online Dictionary
Helium and hydrogen aren't even a close and accurate portrayal in the word "smoke" which contains carbon and organic elements. Answering-Christianity also exposes themselves on their WebPages when they mention that the universe was created with gaseous matter such as hydrogen and helium. They then proceed to contradict and expose their very own Quran by saying:
Anyway, as we clearly see above in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty initially created the Universe or the "samaa" WITH SMOKE (Dukhan). Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke coming from fire, which is always HOT GAS. A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50) Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)" The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke. (The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran:
Now if Muslims quote sources which say that helium and hydrogen are the origins of the universe and then claim that "smoke" is the origin they prove that the Quran is wrong itself, since smoke can only occur when their are organic material in the universe. Helium and hydrogen aren't even organic!! The Big bang didn't contain organic material at the origin of the universe, this occurred later. To believe that smoke is correct is to believe that the universe had life before the universe began!!! Is that why the Quran says that:
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we CLOVE THEM ASUNDER (fafataqnahuma)? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? S. 21:30
Were the unbelievers the organic material that God created "DUHKAN/SMOKE" universe out of? This is not only unscientific but it is totally hilarious to say the least. Using the word "duhkan" in Arabic is totally wrong and Muslims who claim that this word is the best in describing the gaseous state of the universe is wrong. If Allah wanted to correctly describe "Gas" in Arabic, the word would be "ghaz". Don't you think it is better describe "gas" as using the arabic word for gas which agrees with science 100% or use Dukhan, which contradicts Science 100%? Let's illustrate this for you:
1. Big Bang theory in Quran.
2. Heavens being described as smoke Why? Because in the Big Bang no matter existed at the beginning while smoke can only exist if their are organic and carbon. The universe was created from hydrogen and helium.
If the Quran claims to talk about the "Big Bang" and "Big Crunch" then the universe can't begin as smoke!! By alleging that the Quran correctly describes the origin of the universe by calling it smoke is about as correct as saying that a water bubble or bubbles that kids blow for fun are balloons since they are both round and fly!! This concludes part 3. Remember if the Quran wanted to say Gas, which are scientifically correct 100%:
Gas in arabic is "ghaz